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    Re: So is this the NEW Region D for the future?

    While I know there has been a lot of possibilities and what ifs on here.... the main thing that I hope everyone keeps in mind is that consolidation is not the opportunity to build an athletic power. Athletics are but one of the great aspects of being apart of an instituion of learning. What we must remember is that with the building of new schools with new logos and new mascots with new meanings and a new pride about them.... we are definitely enhancing our students horizons in the realm of academics with new areas of studies and new curriculum.

    I believe if done correctly as well..... and Wise County in general does things the right way...... they can showcase their county by building FOR THE KIDS the great facilities that they deserve to have to bring out the best and bring out the pride in their new schools. If they go in mourning about the death of what is past, they are going to miss out on the new opportunities that lie on the horizons of their future. People who look at the past and dwell in it are HOPELESS....People who look at the past and take the wisdom from it and then push to the future to make it greater..... they will be WISE....literally and figuratively . So... if we are to be as the namesake of our county, WISE, we need to look at the opportunity now being afforded to us and make the most of it.... not for us or the people who went before us....but for our children and those future Wise Countians who are to come after us....our children. Our children will remember the great heritage we have had in the past if we teach them about it in the right ways and with it....use it for their goals of prosperity in the future.

    IMO, in the realm of athletics and academics,........ it would be amazing if we took all of the trophies and awards and banners (LPD, Region D and VHSL designated) and such won by all of our great Wise County schools.....and in one section or wing of each newly built school.... it would be great to have a trophy case with all of the previous schools trophies together.... COMBINED. And only put trophies in the case that indicate that the school was a LPD, Region D or State academic or athletic award winner or runnerup. No Wise County trophies or anything of the sort that has a PV or Appy or JJK or Pound or Coe or St Paul name or inference on it. In this way, when the students look at this wing of the excellence that their two schools has brought forth in the past and how it looks now together, they should be motivated to want to add to this era of excellence and bring forth a greater pride .....not in just being from the area where they are from..... but just in being from Wise County. To be competitive and want to defeat your opponent is a great attribute to have in your personality.....but remember... at the end of the day... we are all brothers and in some sense.... we are all family. If we forget to realize that, then that makes the worst battle in the history of this nation and its coming together seem all the more the miracle. For in the American Civil War, you had state against state....brother against brother... especially in Virginia. Even after the war... the Union extended its hand to the Confederates for help .... they didnt continue to kick them when they were down. Did they have their disagreements, yes. It took a few years for the South to acclimate into the unified new nation that was now the United States. The only thing that kept the Confederacy back was the people who thought that their "heritage" would be destroyed with the destruction of the Confederacy. Little did these "backward" and "unlearned" people know (to put it nicely) that in building a new nation... you do not have to lose the heritage and pride of the area from which you come. I believe this most certainly applies to people from Wise County. Many feel that by consolidation, they are losing their heritage and the pride of their small town..... when really... I believe that some of you....not all....of you are afraid of change.... and afraid that if you were someone back in the day... that with consolidation .... future people are not going to remember you or the heritage of your family at the school or some other weird crazy mindset running through your crazy brains. The truth of the matter is.... no one really remembers anyones names.......only great teams. I mean.... really....unless they did something pretty spectacular or amazing in the past... no one will remember you. Do I remember the Stallion from Appalachia? Yes I do... not for the great records or stats he had in school.... I could care less about that. But the fact that he was not only a great athlete but a great person who lost his life in the hopes that another person may live. THIS....is the heritage of which I want my kids to be apart of. To know that my kids are going to be apart of a heritage such as this.... this makes me proud of the school that my kids will be apart of in the future. To know that we could have athletes who think more of others than themselves........ gives me hope that this future school of Wise County is going to have some of the most amazing athletic and academic squads in Southwest Virginia.....because the best teams have those student-athletes who do not care as much about themselves....but care about others....those others being their teammates. THIS is the new WISE COUNTY I want to be apart of...... and I hope that one day..... everyone else will feel the same way too.
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    Re: So is this the NEW Region D for the future?

    That's definitely interesting to think of the region and Group A with those numbers and changes.
    Also great sentiment expressed in your comment about bringing the schools and communities together...hits the nail on the head IMO.

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    Re: So is this the NEW Region D for the future?

    I think Richlands and Tazewell (and possibly Graham) end up in a combined A/AA district with come of the current CMD schools. Maybe something like this:

    CMD: Abingdon (AA), Richlands, Tazewell, Lebanon, VHS, Battle (and maybe Graham)
    BDD: Grundy, Dickenson Co., Hurley, Twin Valley, Honaker, Council
    LPD: Union, Wise Central, Lee, Gate City plus Eastside and/or Burton
    CD: Thomas Walker, Rye Cove, Twin Springs, Castlewood, plus Eastside or Burton

    It makes more sense from an enrollment standpoint for Burton to be in the Cumberland and Eastside in the LPD, obviously, but who knows which way either would want to go.

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    Re: So is this the NEW Region D for the future?

    Quote Originally Posted by hoard View Post
    I think Richlands and Tazewell (and possibly Graham) end up in a combined A/AA district with come of the current CMD schools. Maybe something like this:

    CMD: Abingdon (AA), Richlands, Tazewell, Lebanon, VHS, Battle (and maybe Graham)
    BDD: Grundy, Dickenson Co., Hurley, Twin Valley, Honaker, Council
    LPD: Union, Wise Central, Lee, Gate City plus Eastside and/or Burton
    CD: Thomas Walker, Rye Cove, Twin Springs, Castlewood, plus Eastside or Burton

    It makes more sense from an enrollment standpoint for Burton to be in the Cumberland and Eastside in the LPD, obviously, but who knows which way either would want to go.

    A few things wrong with this. One you will never see Gate City back in the LPD. I see the GC going to the LPD posted a lot here but I can for a 110% beyond the shadow of doubt fact they would fight against rejoining the LPD with everything they have. Two the VHSL I dont think wants to create another A/AA district after ridding the ones they had(atleast I think there are no more). Graham will want to stay in Region C as Tazewell will want to join them since the two are just minutes apart. I just dont see Tazewell in Region D at all. Richlands would likely go either way as they are actually somewhat in the middle as far as travel time goes. I really see them leaning more toward the CMD though but it will be a huge decision. I myself hope that is their decission. They would make a great fit to the CMD.


    To PVVikings2006 on Abingdon dropping due to hardships. That will never happen. Way too big enrollment. As for theTazewell and Richlands like others have said they could drop next cycle without using hardships as there are Single A teams with bigger enrollments. VHSLHELPER needs to chime in on this.

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    Re: So is this the NEW Region D for the future?

    why? I'm getting a kick just sitting back and watching all of this.
    But, what the hey. I'll just ramble through some things.

    Council - Don't see them closing. Too many mtns. between them and the other county schools. With Haysi closing, Honaker would get the majorty of 'em. Buchanan slashed expenses a decade ago by consolidating 5 elem. schools and Garden/Whitewood highs.

    Hurley - Might close in 15 years if their numbers stay low. When the CFX is done, they'll be a lot closer to Grundy, and we might get a new HS up on Poplar Gap. Too far down the road, though.

    Burton - Conundrum. They'd be a better fit, numbers wise, in the Cumberland, but tradition is a powerful thing (just ask Grundy). Since so many sports are split now, being in a district with "bigs" isn't a biggie... they'll have tough opponents, but also will have to travel more due to a lower seed in the playoffs. Also have the possibility of combining with Wise Co... politics makes them a wildcard.

    Grundy - The forced move hurt us. Hearing we only have 8 fb games right now. I don't see us going to the LPD next cycle. Actually think there will be TALK of going back to AA, but it won't happen, either. Again, politics.

    4 or 5 Groups - Won't happen. AAA has never been for it, so A started Divisions. Now that it's spread to other sports, and fb changed the split method, A won't be for it, either. I think I counted 82 teams right now in A... going to 4 means 76 teams. So 1 title per 76 teams or 2 titles for 82 teams.. YOU do the math.

    Tazewell - Don't know the politics of Tazewell County, but I don't expect Richlands to drop to A in the next 2 cycles. After that, who knows. Region IV will see changes by then.

    Abingdon - 2nd sure bet... they WON'T get a hardship. Marion - who knows. Would like to see them in the CMD rather than the Hogo

    Region D - I see a lot of changes this decade.. just don't see how they can keep things balanced. The small schools too spread out. I could see Castlewood in the BDD, but the Cumb. needs teams, too

    Here's how I'd LIKE to see Region D in 4-6 years...

    BDD: Lebanon, Honaker, Grundy, Hurley, Twin Valley, Councill = 6 (5 in football)
    CD: Thomas Walker, Rye Cove, Twin Springs, Castlewood, JI Burton = 5
    LPD: Lee, Gate City, Union, Wise Central, Eastside, Dickenson Co. = 6
    SWD: Va, John Battle, Marion, Tazewell, Richlands = 5 (6 if Abingdon makes it a combined District)

    That's 21 fb schools, or 1/4th of 84, which is about the number of schools playing in Group A.
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    Re: So is this the NEW Region D for the future?

    Quote Originally Posted by VHSLhelper View Post
    why? I'm getting a kick just sitting back and watching all of this.
    But, what the hey. I'll just ramble through some things.

    Council - Don't see them closing. Too many mtns. between them and the other county schools. With Haysi closing, Honaker would get the majorty of 'em. Buchanan slashed expenses a decade ago by consolidating 5 elem. schools and Garden/Whitewood highs.

    Hurley - Might close in 15 years if their numbers stay low. When the CFX is done, they'll be a lot closer to Grundy, and we might get a new HS up on Poplar Gap. Too far down the road, though.

    Burton - Conundrum. They'd be a better fit, numbers wise, in the Cumberland, but tradition is a powerful thing (just ask Grundy). Since so many sports are split now, being in a district with "bigs" isn't a biggie... they'll have tough opponents, but also will have to travel more due to a lower seed in the playoffs. Also have the possibility of combining with Wise Co... politics makes them a wildcard.

    Grundy - The forced move hurt us. Hearing we only have 8 fb games right now. I don't see us going to the LPD next cycle. Actually think there will be TALK of going back to AA, but it won't happen, either. Again, politics.

    4 or 5 Groups - Won't happen. AAA has never been for it, so A started Divisions. Now that it's spread to other sports, and fb changed the split method, A won't be for it, either. I think I counted 82 teams right now in A... going to 4 means 76 teams. So 1 title per 76 teams or 2 titles for 82 teams.. YOU do the math.

    Tazewell - Don't know the politics of Tazewell County, but I don't expect Richlands to drop to A in the next 2 cycles. After that, who knows. Region IV will see changes by then.

    Abingdon - 2nd sure bet... they WON'T get a hardship. Marion - who knows. Would like to see them in the CMD rather than the Hogo

    Region D - I see a lot of changes this decade.. just don't see how they can keep things balanced. The small schools too spread out. I could see Castlewood in the BDD, but the Cumb. needs teams, too

    Here's how I'd LIKE to see Region D in 4-6 years...

    BDD: Lebanon, Honaker, Grundy, Hurley, Twin Valley, Councill = 6 (5 in football)
    CD: Thomas Walker, Rye Cove, Twin Springs, Castlewood, JI Burton = 5
    LPD: Lee, Gate City, Union, Wise Central, Eastside, Dickenson Co. = 6
    SWD: Va, John Battle, Marion, Tazewell, Richlands = 5 (6 if Abingdon makes it a combined District)

    That's 21 fb schools, or 1/4th of 84, which is about the number of schools playing in Group A.
    Looks good and makes sence but IMHO Lebanon will never go for a BDD move due to the drop in Gate that will go along with it. (I seem to rember that being a hang up for them once before)

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    Re: So is this the NEW Region D for the future?

    Its about time you get in on this Elliot. hahaha

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    Re: So is this the NEW Region D for the future?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jason View Post
    A few things wrong with this. One you will never see Gate City back in the LPD. I see the GC going to the LPD posted a lot here but I can for a 110% beyond the shadow of doubt fact they would fight against rejoining the LPD with everything they have. Two the VHSL I dont think wants to create another A/AA district after ridding the ones they had(atleast I think there are no more). Graham will want to stay in Region C as Tazewell will want to join them since the two are just minutes apart. I just dont see Tazewell in Region D at all. Richlands would likely go either way as they are actually somewhat in the middle as far as travel time goes. I really see them leaning more toward the CMD though but it will be a huge decision. I myself hope that is their decission. They would make a great fit to the CMD.


    To PVVikings2006 on Abingdon dropping due to hardships. That will never happen. Way too big enrollment. As for theTazewell and Richlands like others have said they could drop next cycle without using hardships as there are Single A teams with bigger enrollments. VHSLHELPER needs to chime in on this.
    The VHSL never "wants" to have combined districts, but if (when) Abingdon ends up as the only AA school in far SWVa what's the better alternative? Without a combo district, you either have to...

    1) Force them into the River Ridge with Pulaski, Blacksburg, Christiansburg, Salem, Hidden Valley, and Cave Spring (plus Carroll County would probably end up there as well). Think Abingdon or any of the RRD members are going to be happy with that arrangement? --OR--

    2) Allow them to play down in Group A. Now Abingdon might be for that, but I'd say few, if any, Group A schools would.

    IIRC, the Eastern Shore and Dogwood ceased being combined districts mainly because the AA schools in those leagues (Northampton, Appomattox, Gretna, Dan River, maybe another I'm forgetting) got small enough to drop down to Group A and there was no longer a need for the combo setup.

    It's not the ideal arrangement, but it's the lesser of three evils so to speak.

    As for Tazewell, what makes you think they favor joining a district with Graham over joining Richlands? Tazewell is just as close to Richlands geographically and they are each other's biggest rival (Graham's is Bluefield, WV). If forced to choose between a CMD with Richlands, Lebanon and the Bristol-area schools or the MED with Graham and the likes of Galax, Fort Chiswell and Grayson, I'd be willing to bet Tazewell would take the CMD in a heartbeat.

    I agree that all other factors being equal, Graham would rather be in Region C for travel purposes, but if they have an opportunity to rejoin Tazewell and Richlands, even in Region D, they might go that route. Also, Richlands is much closer to Region D schools than they are Region C--they can get to any school in SWVA (except for Lee and TW) in 90 minutes tops. That isn't the case for them with the Three Rivers and Pioneer schools in Region C.

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    Re: So is this the NEW Region D for the future?

    I think they need to change this whole classification system.

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    Re: So is this the NEW Region D for the future?

    Quote Originally Posted by hoard View Post
    The VHSL never "wants" to have combined districts, but if (when) Abingdon ends up as the only AA school in far SWVa what's the better alternative? Without a combo district, you either have to...

    1) Force them into the River Ridge with Pulaski, Blacksburg, Christiansburg, Salem, Hidden Valley, and Cave Spring (plus Carroll County would probably end up there as well). Think Abingdon or any of the RRD members are going to be happy with that arrangement? --OR--

    2) Allow them to play down in Group A. Now Abingdon might be for that, but I'd say few, if any, Group A schools would.

    IIRC, the Eastern Shore and Dogwood ceased being combined districts mainly because the AA schools in those leagues (Northampton, Appomattox, Gretna, Dan River, maybe another I'm forgetting) got small enough to drop down to Group A and there was no longer a need for the combo setup.

    It's not the ideal arrangement, but it's the lesser of three evils so to speak.

    As for Tazewell, what makes you think they favor joining a district with Graham over joining Richlands? Tazewell is just as close to Richlands geographically and they are each other's biggest rival (Graham's is Bluefield, WV). If forced to choose between a CMD with Richlands, Lebanon and the Bristol-area schools or the MED with Graham and the likes of Galax, Fort Chiswell and Grayson, I'd be willing to bet Tazewell would take the CMD in a heartbeat.

    I agree that all other factors being equal, Graham would rather be in Region C for travel purposes, but if they have an opportunity to rejoin Tazewell and Richlands, even in Region D, they might go that route. Also, Richlands is much closer to Region D schools than they are Region C--they can get to any school in SWVA (except for Lee and TW) in 90 minutes tops. That isn't the case for them with the Three Rivers and Pioneer schools in Region C.
    The biggest thing about Abingdon being able to get a hardships and drop to D2 is it opening the gates so to speak as Lee did for some Eastern teams to drop. Then we would be back to square one with the unfair enrollment advantages in certain Divisions.If all sports were to go to a format like football is doing before Abingdon would be affected then Abingdon could go Independent since District Champs will no longer get auto bids to playoffs. As for Tazewell I dont think the VHSL would allow them to choose what Region they want to join. That is what makes me think they will go to Region C. But then again that may not even be a factor by the time they decide to drop. Regions may be done away with in all sports by then.

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